" i want say something bout those complaining bout this place bein for sex n
stuff. if you foreners were not comin here for it then nobody cud sell it . so
who the bad ones huh"

That gate swings both ways. If it wasnt for sale no one would come to buy it
either, so who's more wrong. Its been for sale sense there were women to sell
it and men to buy, that'll never change. Just the human condition, they have
it, we want it, simple, no right or wrong.

tommc

--- In Help_Kevin_Taylor@yahoogroups.com, Grace Mannors <gracemannors@...>
wrote:
>
> u r right mr perry. foreners coming here shud do some homework first cos its
> difrent to wat they know. but england is bad too cos there the kids throw eggs
n
> stones at yr house and police do not even come n neybors just hide n ignore
cos
> they dont want same truble. least here kids dont run wild and drunkall nite
> long.
> i study english way n like yr ideas specially agree to disagree. i no my peple
> have lot to lern that y my husband tell me come on here. i try act civilised
an
> polite but that were yr peple need to lern n not be rude to ech other. we shud
> work together like bros and sisters to help sir kevin n charlen. that way even
> if they be fund gilty they cud be happy they made a lot of gud things happen
> i want say something bout those complaining bout this place bein for sex n
> stuff. if you foreners were not comin here for it then nobody cud sell it . so
> who the bad ones huh
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>
> To: Help_Kevin_Taylor@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 28 February, 2011 9:37:35
> Subject: Re: [Help_Kevin_Taylor] PAO
>
>  
> Very true Frank. The problem is that you can be arrested on the accusation of
a
> local and then obtaining bail can be problematic (especially if the alleged
> offence involves a minor). The fact that you can pay 'blood money' to a
victim's
> family and get away with murder taints much of the rest of the legal system.
It
> is a mix of Spanish and American legal concepts and all interpreted by
> Filipinos.
>
> I know men who were minding their own business and then a couple of small kids
> swarm them and next thing the police are there arresting them for pedophilia
and
> the parents are already counting their payouts. Other cases involve setting up
> motel guests with a girl who is under age. As soon as she enters the room the
> police swoop and that is the beginning of an expensive process.
>
> Scams aside, just getting caught up in a dispute can be hazardous. A mild
> mannered former school headmaster was arguing at the meeting of home owners
that
> a neighbours kids were making too much noise. The neighbour got upset and
called
> the Englishman 'uneducated'. He returned the epithet and was later arrested
and
> charged with abusing the Filipino and causing him to lose face, be defamed and
> shamed and all sorts of silly, childish charges. However they were taken
> seriously in court and he had to pay through the nose, then move house and
sell
> up at a loss and on and on it went.
>
> There are lots more, very true stories one can tell but that is the nature of
> the beast. Perry
>
> --- On Mon, 28/2/11, Frank Woolf <frank@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: Frank Woolf <frank@...>
> >Subject: Re: [Help_Kevin_Taylor] PAO
> >To: Help_Kevin_Taylor@yahoogroups.com
> >Received: Monday, 28 February, 2011, 12:24 AM
> >
> >
> > 
> >This may be true but it my own personal experience you can be apprehended and
> >detained for an offense you never committed and with no legal arrest taking
> >place.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Fely Albaugh wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>it's my understanding that the Presidents Office is notified the day an
American
> >>is detained/arrested, and that office informs the US Embassy.This was told
to me
> >>by an Investigator( I think that was his title) of the PNP.
> >>
> >>I thinks it s safe to say this would apply to Brits also
> >>
> >>Walter
> >>
> >>--- On Sun, 2/27/11, serious_chat_man <serious_chat_man@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: serious_chat_man <serious_chat_man@...>
> >>>Subject: RE: [Help_Kevin_Taylor] PAO
> >>>To: Help_Kevin_Taylor@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 10:17 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>Musta Grace,
> >>> 
> >>>You know, the lesson I have learned (and some already knew) was that if a
> >>>foreigner gets into trouble while overseas, for most countries “we are on
our
> >>>own”
> >>> 
> >>>The Consulate can assist very little really, more in the way of information
but
> >>>not direct assistance.
> >>> 
> >>>Like it or not, we as foreigners have to accept this �" my Australian
Consulate
> >>>is like this, and I believe the British,Canadian and Americans are very
similar.
> >>> 
> >>>Here is the information from the British Foreign Office.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>British nationals arrested abroad should contact the relevant British
embassy,
> >>>high commission or consulate.  You're entitled to do this whichever
country you
> >>>are in. 
> >>>> Find an embassy abroad
> >>>If the detained person wants us to, we can tell their family or friends
that
> >>>they have been arrested or detained. 
> >>>We can't provide details of the arrest without the detained person’s
> >>permission.
> >>>We'll aim to contact the detained person within twenty four hours of being
told
> >>>of their arrest and if they want, we'll aim to visit them as soon as we
can.
> >>>Our staff are there to support arrested British nationals. We aim to be
> >>>sensitive and non-judgemental. We treat all prisoners the same regardless
of
> >>>what crime they are being held for.
> >>>What we can do to help:
> >>>·         provide general information about the relevant country,
prison
> >>>conditions and the local legal system, including whether local legal aid is
> >>>available
> >>>·         provide a list of local lawyers and interpreters
> >>>·         make sure any medical or dental problems are brought to
the attention
> >>>of the police or prison doctor
> >>>·         take up any justified complaints about ill treatment,
personal safety
> >>>or discrimination with the police of prison authorities
> >>>·         send money to prisoners from their families - in some
countries we can
> >>>also help British prisoners buy prison ‘comforts’ with money sent by
their
> >>>family and friends
> >>>·         we can also send messages between prisoners and their
families
> >>>·         put prisoners in touch with the prisoners’ welfare
charity, Prisoners
> >>>Abroad (external site)
> >>>·         if it is possible, provide information on how British
prisoners may
> >>>apply for transfers to a UK prisons.
> >>>We'll consider approaching the local authorities if we feel that a British
> >>>national is not being treated in line with internationally-accepted
standards
> >>>regarding fair trials and prisoners’ rights.  
> >>>We'll visit prisoners in European Union countries or in Iceland,
Liechtenstein,
> >>>Norway, Canada, Switzerland, Canada, the USA and New Zealand once after
> >>>sentencing and then only if there is a real need. In other countries we aim
to
> >>>visit once a year, or more if necessary.
> >>>But we can't:
> >>>·         get a British national out of prison or detention, or
get them
> >>>special treatment because they are British
> >>>·         offer legal advice, start legal proceedings or
investigate a crime
> >>>·         pay for any costs incurred as a result of being arrested
> >>>·         forward prisoners parcels sent by family and friends
> >>>·         prevent the local authorities from deporting a British
national upon
> >>>release.
> >>>So the British Consulate would have provided a list of lawyers, but cannot
enter
> >>>into any legal advice.
> >>>They also MAY visit the prisoner once per year , but I seem to recall Kevin
had
> >>>some “issues” with either the Consulate representative or Prisoners
Abroad,
> >>>there seemed to be some sort of animosity between himself and the agency
 �" I
> >>>cant remember whether it was the Consulate or Prisoners Abroad.
> >>>You will notice that one of the listed countries is NOT Philippines, so a
visit
> >>>is entirely at the discretion of the Consulate I guess.
> >>> 
> >>>My asawa always USED to say the DFA is so bad, they don’t look after
Filipinos
> >>>when they are overseas �" well, she now knows our Consulates/Foreign
Offices are
> >>>similar �" they say their hands are tied, they cant do much except listen
and
> >>>give limited advice and all the time, they just don’t want to upset the
host
> >>>countrys government (Philippines)
> >>> 
> >>>But the very core of Kevin and Charlene’s problem was WERE THEY EVEN
GIVEN THE
> >>>OPPORTUNITY TO CONTACT THE BRITISH FOREIGN OFFICE AT THE TIME OF ARREST?
> >>> 
> >>>They should have been given that option but we just don’t know.
> >>> 
> >>>I think the greatest purpose of this group is not only to help Kevin and
> >>>Charlene, especially from a humanitarian aspect but to understand just what
> >>>problems may occur if it is ONE OF US in Kevin’s position. From these
> >>>discussions we learn what we can expect, where we could turn to help etc
......
> >>>its not something anyone would normally think about until it happens, and
then
> >>>the question would always be on the foreigners mind “what do I do now?”
> >>> 
> >>>Put yourself in Kevin’s shoes �" if you were in Britain and arrested for
> >>>something. Who would you contact? Who could help you? �" one thing that is
> >>>becoming quite clear, it won’t be your Consulate but your friends will
most
> >>>likely be the most help in such a situation.
> >>> 
> >>>Then the next question is how do you get the news out that you are in
trouble
> >>>and need help? You don’t know any British lawyers, you have no phone, you
have
> >>>no internet �" I bet most people would start panicking at this point.
> >>> 
> >>>Again, it was only the clever work by Charlene making posts all over the
> >>>internet that left little “signatures” everywhere about their problems.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>The Consulate certainly wouldn’t help but would come back with something
like
> >>>“we cant tell you anything, not even confirm she is arrested, as this
> >>>information is protected” �" the law is an ass.
> >>> 
> >>>Russ
> >>> 
> >>>From:Help_Kevin_Taylor@yahoogroups.com
> >>>[mailto:Help_Kevin_Taylor@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Grace Mannors
> >>>Sent: Monday, 28 February 2011 5:52 AM
> >>>To: kevin
> >>>Subject: [Help_Kevin_Taylor] PAO
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>  If u dont no it u can b sure yr consulate is a proper authority n wud
hav
> >>>given sir kevin a public attorny lawyer
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>"Sec. 14-A Powers and Functions. - The PAO shall independently discharge
its
> >>>mandate to render, free of charge, legal representation, assistance, and
> >>>counselling to indigent persons in criminal, civil, labor, administrative
and
> >>>other quasi-judicial cases. In the exigency of the service, thePAO may be
called
> >>>upon by proper government authorities to render such service to other
persons,
> >>>subject to existing laws, rules and regulations."
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>Jail and Decongestion Program
> >>>One significant program being jointly implemented by the Board of Pardons
and
> >>>Parole (BPP), NPS and the PAO is the Jail and Prison Decongestion Program.
The
> >>>program
> >>>seeks to facilitate the early release of detention prisoners through the
> >>>benefits of probation,
> >>>parole and other forms of executive clemency. It also addresses the
problems of
> >>>deteriorating
> >>>and congested conditions of Philippine jails and prisons.
> >>>PUBLIC ATTORNEY'S OFFICE (PAO)
> >>>The Public Attorney’s Office (PAO) is mandated to extend free legal
services
> >to
> >>>indigent persons or to the immediate members of their families in civil,
> >>>administrative, labor
> >>>and criminal cases. The services include judicial and quasi-judicial
> >>>representation, mediation
> >>>and counseling, jail visitation, inquest assistance, miscellaneous legal
advice
> >>>and
> >>>documentation.
> >>>While the DOJ, through the NPS and the NBI ensures that criminals are
hailed
> >in
> >>>court, the Public Attorney's Office (PAO) is mandated to defend the accused
that
> >>>qualifies
> >>>under the indigency test of the agency.
> >>>23 | 2 0 0 9 D e p a r t m e n t o f J u s t i c e A n n u a l R e p o r t
> >>>For the year 2009 alone, the PAO served 4,154,587 clients. Its manpower
> >>>complement of 1,407 lawyers assisted these clients in different capacities
such
> >>>as rendering
> >>>legal advice, appearing in 2,182 courts nationwide either as defense
lawyers in
> >>>criminal cases
> >>>or acting as legal counsels in civil and labor cases. About 29 lawyers
devote
> >>>themselves on
> >>>appealed cases before the Court of Appeals, Supreme Court and Office of the
> >>>President.
> >>>These lawyers represented a total of 118,619 indigents in court
proceedings, who
> >>>were
> >>>granted verdicts of acquittals or other favorable dispositions. Aside from
> >>>criminal cases, the
> >>>Special and Appealed Cases Service also handles civil and special cases
such as
> >>>appeals from
> >>>the decision of the NLRC, SSS and GSIS and other quasi-judicial
> jurisdictions.
> >>>PAO lawyer-client average ratio is 1:2,953 for total number of clients
assisted
> >>>while
> >>>PAO lawyer-client average ratio is 1:420 for cases handled.
> >>> 
> >>
> >
>